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Robert
Da Purple one
United Kingdom
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Posted - 11/10/2007 : 21:47:09
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Hi kazababe,,,
yes... you can carry on your dispute.you have just got the standard reply.it is now time to write letters of Complaint to the HMRC..stating you case has been mishandled,you will need to point out, what they have done wrong,and say your case has been handled poorly. until you have done this, i dont think the adjudicator will take your case.. so the fight has only just really began..dont give in, dont agree to pay.. tell them you are still in dispute..and if they keep asking you to pay, complain about that also..
I think the CAB may be a good idea in your case.. http://www.nacab.org.uk/ perhaps they will be able to help you write your case out.. they have plenty of experiance. with the amount of complaint they handle ,of tax credit overpayments..
Ps look up my latin saying.. Non Illigitamus Carborundum .it will come in useful
The truth is out there.. GO get it......Non Illigitamus Carborundum
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kazbabe
Rank; Hector Tax Inspector
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 Posted - 11/10/2007 : 21:51:29
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splashin
the o/p was for one year,last year 06-07.it was for wtc and ctc.no childcare as they were both at school full time.
the award notice says from the 7/04/06.
i do remember having to fill in an annual declaration for the single claim this year regarding 06 - 07.what they had done was dated this 06/04/06 - 06/04/06 and on this form they told me to put 0 to just cancel the claim for my annual salary.i then receive a letter dated 20th september 07 after sending in my dispute form and they were asking for my annual salary.which i told them about but im not sure whether they were asking that for the single or joint claim.
thanks splashin for your help
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kazbabe
Rank; Hector Tax Inspector
38 Posts |
Posted - 11/10/2007 : 21:55:01
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robert thank you,i am going to ring the cab tomorrow and see if i can make an appointment asap.
kaz |
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Alan the Geordie
Da Purple one
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Posted - 11/10/2007 : 22:39:24
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Originally posted by kazbabe
robert thank you,i am going to ring the cab tomorrow and see if i can make an appointment asap.
kaz
To the best of my knowledge most - if not all - CAB's do not offer appointments - at least for the first meeting.
You may find that you have to just arrive on their doorstep and stand in a queue for however long it takes. My advice is to get there early!!
Bear in mind that the CAB is a volunteer-run organiation so try to be patient with them. (Think Tax Credit Casualties, but with an office!)
After the first meeting, you may well find that from then on you are able to book appointments to see them.
Don't forget that HMRC Tax Credits do not like publicity - especially bad publicity.
Think seriously about getting the press involved.
"Broons aall roond f'th' lads an' mind ye divvent drop yer dottles on th' new proggy mat!!"
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Larn-Yersel-Geordie-Scott-Dobson/dp/0946928010 |
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kazbabe
Rank; Hector Tax Inspector
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Posted - 12/10/2007 : 07:31:22
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Alan the Geordie
Da Purple one
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Posted - 12/10/2007 : 14:56:07
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Originally posted by kazbabe
im going monday to their drop in session but will get letters started over the weekend to take with me,hopefully to then post at the beginning of next week.
Well done Kaz
Hang in there and don't give in!
"Broons aall roond f'th' lads an' mind ye divvent drop yer dottles on th' new proggy mat!!"
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Larn-Yersel-Geordie-Scott-Dobson/dp/0946928010 |
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kazbabe
Rank; Hector Tax Inspector
38 Posts |
Posted - 15/10/2007 : 12:00:09
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i received the letter dated 25th september 2007 today,they reckon there is no mistake although due to computer error the award notice didnt sort it out.and i did tell them on 8/4/06 that i had moved in but they didnt nothing with it until july 07.
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auntieh
Rank; Really should become a politician
United Kingdom
619 Posts |
Posted - 15/10/2007 : 21:34:38
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Originally posted by kazbabe
i received the letter dated 25th september 2007 today,they reckon there is no mistake although due to computer error the award notice didnt sort it out.and i did tell them on 8/4/06 that i had moved in but they didnt nothing with it until july 07.
I'm no expert but how can there not be a mistake if there is a computer error? Computer errors don't happen by themselves, it's generally down to human error in the first instance. An error and a mistake are the same thing. Don't give in about this - it all sounds very strange! |
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splashin
Rank; Undercover HMRC Spy
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446 Posts |
Posted - 15/10/2007 : 22:12:33
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Originally posted by auntieh
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Originally posted by kazbabe
i received the letter dated 25th september 2007 today,they reckon there is no mistake although due to computer error the award notice didnt sort it out.and i did tell them on 8/4/06 that i had moved in but they didnt nothing with it until july 07.
I'm no expert but how can there not be a mistake if there is a computer error? Computer errors don't happen by themselves, it's generally down to human error in the first instance. An error and a mistake are the same thing. Don't give in about this - it all sounds very strange!
This is very true Auntie, this type of change can only be processed with a manual input. So the big question is, how can there be set of rules displayed for everyone to read about what and how HMRC are going to treat claimants who have overpayment's and they don't even adhere to them. It is disgusting that we are being pushed around like this. If HMRC were a private company they would have to adhere to any rules it has set in place or they would be in court quick than a lightning strike. But it does go to show how yet again this HMRC is a law unto itself whenever it suits. Forget the law that is in place regarding tax credits because the HMRC office can choose ,too use or abuse its power. It doesn't care.
Splashin
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Robert
Da Purple one
United Kingdom
827 Posts |
Posted - 15/10/2007 : 23:38:59
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The HMRC are resposible for the operation of the computer system. they had it installed and maintain it.. so why are we to blame for the HMRCs shoddy computer system..the onus is on the HMRC to deliver a service to you, and it seems they have failed..
The truth is out there.. GO get it......Non Illigitamus Carborundum
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kazbabe
Rank; Hector Tax Inspector
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Posted - 17/10/2007 : 10:26:14
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Alan the Geordie
Da Purple one
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Posted - 17/10/2007 : 10:41:09
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Originally posted by kazbabe
have sent my letters off but oh didnt send them recorded so i think i had better send them again.am also thinking of writing to my mp aswell even to make him aware and warn others in my area.
I think it would be wise to send your letters again - by Recorded Delivery - and to involve your MP.
By all means, warn others and maybe the best way would be through your local newspaper.
"Broons aall roond f'th' lads an' mind ye divvent drop yer dottles on th' new proggy mat!!"
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Larn-Yersel-Geordie-Scott-Dobson/dp/0946928010 |
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kazbabe
Rank; Hector Tax Inspector
38 Posts |
Posted - 22/10/2007 : 13:37:02
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kazbabe
Rank; Hector Tax Inspector
38 Posts |
Posted - 28/10/2007 : 17:06:25
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kazbabe
Rank; Hector Tax Inspector
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Posted - 31/10/2007 : 12:21:44
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hi all just a q1uick question. i got my joint final award notice for 2006 - 2007 and notice on there that they have mine and partners joint income for 2005 - 2006 but we werent claiming together then as we were not living together. do they use our joint figures for the year before to start the claim?
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splashin
Rank; Undercover HMRC Spy
Belize
446 Posts |
Posted - 31/10/2007 : 20:41:16
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Originally posted by kazbabe
hi all just a quick question. i got my joint final award notice for 2006 - 2007 and notice on there that they have mine and partners joint income for 2005 - 2006 but we weren't claiming together then as we were not living together. do they use our joint figures for the year before to start the claim?
sorry am confused by this.
Kaz
Yes usually any 1st initial award notice would include the last year's income figures, but then after that you should have an updated award notice with the current income details showing for that year. What worries me here is that you say it is the end of year award notice for the joint claim, haven't HMRC even updated your new claim with the correct details 12 months after you submitted them. Kaz it is just one another mess after another. I mean how do they know the income details for your new partner for the previous year, as I'm sure you told me you gave them current year income details when you started claiming together. Is this right??
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kazbabe
Rank; Hector Tax Inspector
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Posted - 01/11/2007 : 09:12:19
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splashin
i will have to have a look at what i told them,will let you know there. but the joint claim is where they sent those duplicate forms out, and they then wrote to ask me to confirm my wages for last year as this was lower than before coz i was on maternity leave.i did tell them when we got the last award notice the figures, i then rang in august to tell them i wasnt going back to work.so i really dont know what is going on!!!!!!!!!!! |
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splashin
Rank; Undercover HMRC Spy
Belize
446 Posts |
Posted - 01/11/2007 : 11:32:18
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Kaz
Just note down TC602 and the letter after eg. TC602(E) the period it covers, income and amount awarded, this sometime helps.
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kazbabe
Rank; Hector Tax Inspector
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Posted - 02/11/2007 : 13:38:29
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have just checked on my paperwork and if i remember correctly they wanted to know what my partners p60 said so that would of been different to the following year.
TC602(A) 1/2007 7/4/06 to 07 award £546.00 income £31403
TC602(A) 1/2007 06/07 award £546.00 income £25053
TC602(C) 2/2007 06/07 award £546.00 income £27592
TC602(C) 3/2007 06/07 award £854.28 income £27592 three children on this one
TC602(J) 4/2007 06/07 award £854.28 income £27592
TC602(E) 5/2007 06/07 award £973.76 income £25955 this is the one i was just telling you about in last couple of replies ok,but i had this back in july already,i believe this is where you said they were duplicating batches.
sorry maybe im just confusing myself with it all,as im not sure how it all works really.maybe it is right what they have done here.if you need anymore info i have it all
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splashin
Rank; Undercover HMRC Spy
Belize
446 Posts |
Posted - 09/11/2007 : 20:34:04
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Kaz
What are the issue dates these awards have been sent?
I have tried to find something in the legislation regarding how long after the event HMRC can process a COC, but still searching. Kaz I think your case dispute must concentrate on the procedures and rules from the tax credit manual.
It is going to be a difficult one to dispute but I would defiantly not take it lying down.
There is one I would like to look into further and that is notice no.4. When you get a TC602(J), this is what HMRC call a SLAN - Something like award notice. I want to look into this a little more before I advise on this.
Will update soon.
 
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