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gene hunt
Rank; Hector Tax Inspector
United Kingdom
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 Posted - 03/03/2009 : 21:05:59
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Hi all, just an update on my case. I recived a reply from Tax Credit office via my MP. They are not willing to write off the amount they say i owe back. They insisit to is my fault still. That i have forwarded the wrong details to them. My MP has not been any use at all. I am working on getting a copy of my wifes P60 to prove that i inputed my details correctly but i gotta say its not looking good. I claimed this benefit because i suffer uncontrolled epilepsy and i am restricted to the hrs i work. The total i may have to pay back is 1,599 pounds which i simply cannot afford!! Any advice would be greatly apreciated. 
Kind regards
Gene Hunt 
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Da Purple one
Virgin Islands (United Kingdom)
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Posted - 04/03/2009 : 00:42:25
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Hi Gene,
Could you please post a few more details about your dispute?
The more you can tell us, the more we can advise you. I'm assuming that there is some discrepancy about your wife's earnings ....
Also, who is your MP, please? (Bet they are Labour).
Would you mind if I copied your post (anonymously) onto our blog on the LabourSpace website? We have a campaign running on there, if you'd like to vote  .
Others will be along soon to give you help. Meanwhile, if you can tell us more, that would help.
Cheers,
Graham
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Ali M-W
Da Tech(y ones)
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Posted - 04/03/2009 : 07:45:28
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Hi Gene,
Although you are obviously feeling very dispirited by all this, it sounds to me as though you are just at the earliest stages of your dispute and this can often be the hardest and most off-putting time. This is because HMRC is judge and jury in its own cause, and so everything they come back to you with will be an insistence that everything is your fault (even if the mistakes were their own, they will berate you for not spotting or preventing them!) and that you must repay. This is most depressing, especially as you will have psyched yourself up to disputing and probably have spent hours writing your first letter or first few letters, only to receive an "answer" from HMRC which answers nothing yet still demands the cash. Meanwhile, you will still be at the 'finding your feet' stage and less confident at spotting HMRC fob-offs and lies. So you are bound to feel crushed, downhearted and pessimistic.
Don't be. We are doing this all wrong! HMRC demand payment from us, we believe exactly what they tell us, and rush for our cheque books in fear and tredidation, even though every pound we offer them is a pound less to feed and shelter ourselves and our kin. The onus must instead be on them to properly explain to us what they think went wrong, so we know whether we are going to accept it or refute it. How can anyone dispute an overpayment they don't understand? How can anyone offer convincing evidence of their experiences of events when they don't even have their data to hand - forms, letters, call recordings, etc.?
I would, no matter what stage in the process you think you may be at, see if you really understand the explanation HMRC has given you. If you don't, write and say you are paying nothing back until satisfied why you should, as is your right. If the explanation you (eventually) get back is full of gobbledegook, and you still don't understand it, ask them to explain it better. I must have had thirty HMRC letters if I have had one, attempting to explain. Each and every one is either completely unintelligible or obviously made up by someone who guessed at what they didn't understand or know. Please don't offer a penny back to HMRC until you have got them to properly explain what went wrong and why, and have your data in your hand confirming exactly what everyone did and didn't do.
That's going to be the only way to establish what exactly you did tell them. But why would you lie? If you told them figures from your wife's P60 you would in all likelihood just copied them straight off the page. My guess is that the decimal point strayed because of something HMRC did (it happened to a colleague), or HMRC just zeroed your salary due to IT problems we know they have. But without the data you cannot prove your honesty, nor identify their own errors.
That's the next thing - get them sent for. Soon I will be working on some MP letters people can use if they want to. We need to get our MPs working for us, like it says in the tin. Don't they want our votes?
Do also insist, Gene, that nothing gets recovered or no bullying letters get sent whilst you are seeking explanations and data towards a dispute. This is your right. Drop in "Tax Credit Casualties" when you write, too - as they will be less likely to trample you if they know you have strong representation.
If unsure about anything, please post here!
Good luck! Ali.
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gene hunt
Rank; Hector Tax Inspector
United Kingdom
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Posted - 04/03/2009 : 08:43:40
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Hi Graham
The dispute is over my partner earnings. She earned 13,74.99 for the year, they took this as being 1, 74.99 meaning we had been overpayed by 1,599. They say i have filled the form in incorrectly and they can not write off the overpayment. They say we should have checked the award, which i did the figures regarding our income were correct. i had no reason to question the award due to that. I cannot currently find my wifes P60 for that year, i am trying to obtain a copy to prove what was wrote on the p60 was wrote on the Tax Credit form. My MP has not really helped much at all, he is labour. i just recieved a letter from HM Revenue about how i have not met my responsibilities regarding the overpayment and how they can not write it off. I been given a complaint form for the Ajudicators Office. |
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gene hunt
Rank; Hector Tax Inspector
United Kingdom
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Posted - 04/03/2009 : 08:49:55
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| Thanks for the advice Ali, i think you start to doubt your own mind regarding these things. I do not understand this system at all. Its absolutly crazy. Why are the revenue asking for a decleration of earning when they are the body that duducts the Tax from your pay. They should have that info already. This system does not add up. |
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missfroy2
Rank; Captain Gordon
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Posted - 04/03/2009 : 11:01:31
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I wouldn't give up just yet.
Firstly, do you have the award notice in question? If you do you can use it as evidence.
Secondly, have you done a data request for copies of your application form or renewal papers (or did you renew over the phone, if so then you need to get a copy of the phone call).
I am not sure how the P60 will be relevant. The error has occurred because the wrong figure was inputted, and even if your P60 shows the right figure I am not sure how that helps?
The award notice is the key here - do you have the award notices showing your wifes full income? Are there any that show the error?
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