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Alan the Geordie
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Posted - 04/12/2008 :  19:34:02  Show Profile Send Alan the Geordie a Private Message
Right Lads & Lasses!!

You know how we're always banging-on about using Recorded Delivery to send stuff to HMRC in the belief that it will provide us with the proof that we need to demonstrate that we did indeed notify HMRC of whatever it was that we notified them of? We'll, I found the following article on Ken Frost's excellent site You must be logged in to see this link.

“SIR - Following the result of using the Royal Mail recorded delivery service, I have a cunning plan to save people money during the credit crunch.

I sent a very important cheque for my tax return to the tax man by Royal Mail recorded delivery.

I went online each day to check the progress of the letter.

After six days the letter had not 'arrived', but my bank statement showed the cheque had been cashed!

I continued to check the progress of the letter, but after 21 days, according to the Royal Mail computer, it still had not been delivered.

I phoned the Royal Mail and was told that large numbers of letters to places like the tax return office were checked only with a list of the recorded letters, so that it only requires one signature for the lot.

My letter was still reported as undelivered, so I sent a letter of complaint and received an apology and a book of six first class stamps.

So here is my cunning plan:

Buy 50 cheap envelopes and send them (empty) to HMRC Accounts Office BD9 88AA by second class recorded delivery. This will cost about £50, including the envelopes.

Wait 21 days and fill in a complaint form at your local post office for each non-recorded delivery (they won't be recorded).

You will receive 50 apologies and 50 books of six first class stamps, valued at £108.

That's a profit of around £58.

What can possibly go wrong?

Cheers.

Bruce Piggott (electronic engineer retired), WGC. “


So, from that it would seem that the Recorded Delivery system does NOT offer us positive proof that our document arrived at HMRC at all, only that it MAY have done – along with a whole sack load of others.

Mr Piggot has developed a cunning plan to earn himself some free postage stamps from this, but I have developed his cunning plan further; do exactly as he suggests & donate the profit from the 50 books of first class stamps to the TCC fighting fund!!

Also, set dog-on-dog by complaining to both HMRC AND Royal Mail about the lack of a signature for your letter and let them argue it out between them.




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missfroy2
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Posted - 05/12/2008 :  15:56:27  Show Profile Send missfroy2 a Private Message
That is correct - the letters delivered to the TCO are generally signed for it batches, sometimes often 12 pages long of letters. One signature signs for them all.

That is why when you send to the TCO, if you track on Royal Mail you normally get 'EPOD checked' rather than actual signature like you would if sending to an individual.

If you follow up with Royal Mail then you can sometimes get a copy of the signature but they have to do a special request.

However, the registered post slip that you keep is evidence enough in my opinion. There is guidance somewhere in the depth of the HMRC manuals relating to backdating where claim forms have gone missing which states that the recorded delivery slip is evidence enough. Therefore one would argue that would be across the board.

I cannot think of where this guidance is to post an external link, but I will have a look when I have some more time.

MF2
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