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Rachel01
Rank; Hector Tax Inspector
United Kingdom
40 Posts |
 Posted - 05/10/2008 : 21:54:22
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Hi everyone I'm Rachel Stirling, I too have suffered at the hands of the tax credits system.
We have six children and a mistake tax credits have caused is costing us in total £7,300
We have disputed once and lost, but are disputing again with David Laws MP's help.
I took the advice on taxcc about writing to the HMRC tax credits data protection unit, and i requested copies of all of my files at tax credits, as i was going around in circles.
The thing is me and my hubby briefly seperated in april 2006, and having six children i had to go to the job centre to re-apply for tax credits as a singleton.
Mid may 2006 we got back together and called tax credits helpline to notify them of him moving back in.
We then filled in a new joint claim pack and posted to tax credits and then phoned days later to check they recieved it.
In Dec 2006 our tax credits didn't appear in our account, and i phoned the tax credits helpline to be told by the staff it had been sent.
3 phone calls later to tax credits they admitted they had stopped payments due to them denying knowledge of my partner.
We has a sh*t poor xmas, we had to borrow money from the inlaws just to buy food.
In 2007 our tax credits started up again and we then recieved 2 bills, one for £6,495 and the other for £995.
Totalling around £7,300, Tax credits have always denied knowledge of my partner, even in their letters to my MP David Laws.
I have proof that HMRC are liars.
I took my evidence to my MP, needless to say he is equally suspicious about why they withheld evidence that proves they C*cked up, That proves they knew of my partner,
You see in the letters tax credits sent to my MP it states that we never jointly claimed between April and December 2006, But in my data protection file from HMRC tax credits is a joint claim signed by me and my partner, Dated the 21st May 2006.
Does anyone agree that is suspicious?
Also my MP has a transcript of some of the calls my partner made to tax credits in 2006, one call in June 2006 about a house move, a second call in June enquiring why our child wasn't on our claim, and a third call in August 2006 giving details of wages.
Now my partner only ever claimed tax credits with me as a couple,
So the transcrips show also that HMRC is lying.
I feel they lie at tax credits to cover there ars*s, they don't care that some innocent family gets ruined in the fallout of their c*ck up.
IKt's about time tax credits staff admitted they are useless, and spare the innocent claimants who are the true victims of the tax credits blunders.
R.A. stirling
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Ali M-W
Da Tech(y ones)
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Posted - 06/10/2008 : 07:41:54
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Unfortunately, Rachel, the way the system is set up, HMRC has all the power and no accountability, and it seems frighteningly common for HMRC to cover their backs, lie, withhold information and generally mislead. Must find the quote for you sometime which actually states that, because tax credit overpayments are treated exactly like a due but unpaid tax, HMRC can hold back info which makes it more difficult for them to recover sums - ie. which proves you are in the right and not them. I chose my forum signature for this reason! HMRC hold all the aces, and certainly know how to fix the deck. It is not an even contest by any means.
Think of it - HMRC is judge and jury in its own cause. If calls and papers are missing, as far as HMRC goes, they never existed. They have the right to withhold information which incriminates them. They can issue their own Certificates of Debt without anyone questioning the validity. They can stop claimants having a Fair Trial at court by producing this self-written certificate. They can impose fines and penalties unchecked. They can get away with not telling us our rights, and of blatantly misinforming us - eg. by saying we cannot appeal against an overpayment when we can dispute.
It is a complete travesty of justice, and Brown and Nu Labour condone it!
Exposure of these tricks and lies is the key to success. The British people largely have a great dislike for injustice. Tax Credits go against freedoms set out in the Magna Carta. They were set up to provide poorer families with an income to live on - like a benefit. They should not be administered like a tax!
Morpheus: They are the gatekeepers, they are guarding all the doors and holding all the keys.
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bmiah0
Rank; Hector Tax Inspector
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Posted - 06/10/2008 : 15:33:56
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Hi Rachel,
i am too having major issues with the tax credits overpayment. Can you tell me how you requested data from HMRC tax credits data protection unit? Do i need to fill in a form? is there a charge for this etc? Sorry im new to the forum and havent found the info yet (maybe not looking in the right place.).
Thanks
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jess
Da Purple one
United Kingdom
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Posted - 06/10/2008 : 18:24:53
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Hi bmiah0, I've explained how to do this in a reply to your other post. There is no charge.
All Human Beings are born free and equal in dignity and rights. They are endowed with reason and conscience and should act towards one another in a spirit of brotherhood.
No one shall be subjected to arbitrary interference with his privacy, family, home or correspondence, not to attacks upon his honor and reputation. Everyone has the right to protection of the law against such interference or attacks
Articles 1 and 12 Universal Declaration of Human Rights 1948.
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Rachel01
Rank; Hector Tax Inspector
United Kingdom
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Posted - 06/10/2008 : 18:53:28
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Hi bmiah0 basically write to the Data protection unit, Room BP 5001, Benton park view, Longbenton, Newcastle upon Tyne, NE98 1ZZ
Request copies of all of your tax credits files, It takes a fair few weeks to get a responce but the contents of your files can be a big help proving your case.
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splashin
Rank; Undercover HMRC Spy
Belize
446 Posts |
Posted - 06/10/2008 : 23:30:41
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Hi Rachel
Has your partner also applied for his version from Data Protection? In this ecenario I suggest it be a good thing. You see Data Protection can only send you data, which relates dirrectly to you. So even though you partner never claimed any tax credits whilst being single, his data shud match yours to the exact, except for the period when you claimed as a singleton. Are HMRC saying the overpayment is for both of you? Also if you can renmember your weekly/4 weekly payment amount when claimed single, multiply this amount with 24. Does this total figure look like what they asking for?
   
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Rachel01
Rank; Hector Tax Inspector
United Kingdom
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Posted - 07/10/2008 : 08:04:52
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Hi Splashin, No tax credits say it is my fault, not our fault, so they are blaming me alone entirely for the mistake.
Even though they recieved our joint claim we sent in to tax credits in May 2006, i know this to be fact as it was in my data protection files.
And also HMRC sent a partial copy of phone calls my partner made to tax credits to my MP David Laws,
Phone calls telling tax credits info on his wages, aalso asking about our child not being on the tax credits peperwork and also notyfying them of our house move.I'm still waiting for a responce to my MP's latest letter to Jane Kennedy with the copies of the new evidence enclosed.
The stress is awful, waiting around for these slow goverment peoples to respond, They just don't really care for truth and justice, they are simply too rich to understand how we feel.
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splashin
Rank; Undercover HMRC Spy
Belize
446 Posts |
Posted - 09/10/2008 : 23:36:07
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Rachel
Don't listen too them, get your partner to send in a request ASAP. This will able you to log dates and see if they match with:
1. The dates you have
2. The dates that HMRC are calling out
I think this overpayment is due to backdating. This is something way out of your control. You need to pay attention to the pages which show typed printouts with all your details, childrens deatails, work details etc. Pay attention to the received date, include/start date, also you must pay attention to your childrens start and include from dates, do any of these differ? Do any of the days of the single claim period overlap into the joint claim period?
For you to suceed in winning you must never listen to what HMRC say or write. They are the for one reason alone and that is to recover and should they be able to see a blatant fault/error on your claim, which may favour you. Unless you mention it, they would never point it out to the claimant, as its procedure.
I know it beggars belief, that the staff working with Tax Credits Overpayments are classed as Civil Servants. I always thought a Civil Servant was a person, who is honest, truthful and compliant with laws. But thats not to be, they may be expierienced to see faults within your claim, but are told not to mention anything unless the claimant does.
Any questions please ask, no matter what they are. You are faceless on here you will never be judged.
   
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Tax credits staff dodgy, corrupt, scam artists
