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Ali M-W
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Posted - 28/03/2008 :  09:11:11  Show Profile Send Ali M-W a Private Message
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Posted - 28/03/2008 :  09:12:07  Show Profile Send Ali M-W a Private Message
... and get everyone you know signing this!

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Posted - 28/03/2008 :  09:15:32  Show Profile Send Ali M-W a Private Message
And this is just SCREAMING for a p1ss-take!

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Posted - 28/03/2008 :  09:19:20  Show Profile Send Ali M-W a Private Message
... exact link doesn't work, so search 'tax credits' or 'return of django' bu the Upsetters (yes, really!)

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Posted - 21/07/2008 :  08:01:46  Show Profile Send Ali M-W a Private Message
Please help us to help you – help us win an Amnesty for all non-fraudulent overpayments!

Here’s how – not in priority order.

1. Write to your MP, not just about your own case but how the tax credit overpayment fiasco affects everyone. You can ‘cut and paste’ people’s first-hand accounts from the Forum, which are ready-anonymised, or mention comments from the Petition at You must be logged in to see this link.

Do mention ‘Tax Credit Casualties’ and ask your MP to share the You must be logged in to see this link. address with other constituents who are going through the hell of disputing recovery of overpaid tax credits (because you have found it helpful?). If you have a Labour MP, you can mention that Jon Cruddas has said, ‘Tax credits were a good idea but poor administration is giving them a bad name. It's time to wipe the slate clean on these so-called debts. Let's write them off - and make sure that the system really does do us credit’ (Sunday Mirror, 13/07/2008,
You must be logged in to see this link. ) You can ask your own MP to support Jon Cruddas’s call for a write-off.

Conservative MPs might respond to this quote: Chairman of the Commons Public Accounts Select Committee Edward Leigh said: “Vulnerable families overpaid face long repayment by no fault of their own.” And Lib Dems to: ‘Lib Dem work and pensions spokeswoman Jenny Willott said: “The tax credits system is so complex that it is abused by fraudsters, misunderstood by claimants and mismanaged by officials.” ‘ ( You must be logged in to see this link. ) - although I would recommend pointing out that official mismanagement far outweighs claimants’ ‘misunderstanding’ and that the propaganda is such that information that HMRC loses or doesn’t act promptly or appropriately upon is counted as information that the claimant never sent.
Please then ask your MP what they are going to be doing about this scandal?

2. Keep your eyes out for any media articles and respond to them through the Letters pages or trace and email the writer of the story. If you don’t feel you can be a spokesperson for the TCC, fear not, because you can always pass on contact details for the Team – Paula, Sarah, the Webmaster and myself. (Not forgetting the more behind-the-scenes but still active members we can call upon if need be, too.) Getting ‘ You must be logged in to see this link. ‘ and/or ‘Tax Credit Casualties’ into the paper brings more victims our way, as well as signaling to the paper and politicians that there is a potentially popular campaign to support here.

3. Sign and promote our Petition at You must be logged in to see this link.

And get all your family and friends to sign it, too.

Thanks!


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Posted - 23/07/2008 :  20:32:48  Show Profile Send n/a a Private Message
Can I suggest that we have a press link on the website, that holds links to every news article about Tax Credits. I know it might seem radical putting things all in one place, I will wait for the resounding silence followed by the gobbo being mixed to build the wall of objections.

" Speaking the Truth in times of universal deceit is a revolutionary act. "
George Orwell
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Ali M-W
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Posted - 24/07/2008 :  07:57:38  Show Profile Send Ali M-W a Private Message
Hi Red,

I believe our Webmaster is going to set that up, but I will give him another wave.

Have seen the Sheffield video you, PJ and some others were involved with, and the early offerings look good - you all came over well. Thanks! Hopefully the finished version will be out soon for public viewing.

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TCC Webmaster
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Posted - 24/07/2008 :  13:25:58  Show Profile Send TCC Webmaster a Private Message
While you wait for the "resounding silence followed by the gobbo being mixed to build the wall of objections", maybe you could spend the time thinking through what you want - and just maybe, possibly, coming up with something constructive.

As far as I'm concerned, the 'Latest News' section of the website already does what you proposed. Just about every bit of news we have is posted on there, and then carefully archived to preserve it.

From what I can gather, you are proposing that we simply have a page with links to news stories on it. This page would be a duplication of both the 'Latest News' section of the website and postings in this forum.

Another brick in the "wall of objections" is that I rely on being notified of all the stories that are out there - so are you volunteering for the job of searching out the news, Red? Also, links to stories on any local newspaper website tend to become broken when the newspaper doesn't keep the story active. The nationals are a bit better....

So, got anything constructive to suggest??
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Posted - 24/07/2008 :  13:43:42  Show Profile Send TCC Webmaster a Private Message
Right - I've just been informed that what was actually being proposed was " a link on the website is installed to go to a full list of reports/papers published on the failures of HMRC. That way if press etc drop in, they can find all they need in one area."

That is in hand...

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Ali M-W
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Posted - 24/07/2008 :  13:53:37  Show Profile Send Ali M-W a Private Message
I can sympathise with both views above, whilst not really being happy with the tone, I have to say.

We don't want a duplication of what we already have (any more than we want to bicker about it, so I was kind of ignoring the more provocative conclusion to Red's otherwise reasonable suggestion), so I was wondering about something along the following lines:

Maybe a list of links with a brief line of text summarising the article, so that if, for instance, we want to know about the selling of 'debtors' details by Lord Faulkenor, it's right there and easy to find?

What do others think?

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Posted - 24/07/2008 :  13:54:48  Show Profile Send Ali M-W a Private Message
My post seemed to cross with our Webmaster's, but it seems we might be thinking along similar lines...

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Posted - 24/07/2008 :  14:08:53  Show Profile Send TCC Webmaster a Private Message
The press pack/area has been suggested for a while now, and it is a good idea. In reality, there is so much possible information that we are really talking about a complete new area for the website. It's got to be thought out, and planned well - otherwise it will not achieve it's purpose.

One possibility is that we develop a research area, and keep a downloadable press pack up-to-date. So the press can instantly have clear and concise information, yet all the info that could be of use in research is also available. It would have to be indexed to be of any use.

And who is going to do all the 'finding' of the content?

Yes, it will be done. But it is a much bigger job than at first seems apparent.
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Posted - 24/07/2008 :  14:35:46  Show Profile Send n/a a Private Message
Ali / TCC Webmaster

Sorry if I offended, but it often seems that suggestions are either over looked or shot down in flames. An example of this was when I suggested contacted every member re New statesman. Eventually it happened, but only after been told multiple reasons why it couldn't.

I have had many years of marketing and press experiance along with campaigning both nationally and locally on certain issues, and gaining substantial amounts of funding.

I am more than happy to make contributions in time and money, I have done both.

I have stayed away from the forum more recently because I have felt that I cannot make a contribution that is either accepted or valued.

I am full of admiration for what the founders have acheived so far, and the level of dedication shown. Hats off to you all.

"if you always do what you've always done, you will always get what you've always got"

Bye for now, and good luck with the campaign.


" Speaking the Truth in times of universal deceit is a revolutionary act. "
George Orwell
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Posted - 24/07/2008 :  15:26:43  Show Profile Send Ali M-W a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by Red Rocket

Ali / TCC Webmaster

Sorry if I offended, but it often seems that suggestions are either over looked or shot down in flames. An example of this was when I suggested contacted every member re New statesman. Eventually it happened, but only after been told multiple reasons why it couldn't.

I have had many years of marketing and press experiance along with campaigning both nationally and locally on certain issues, and gaining substantial amounts of funding.

I am more than happy to make contributions in time and money, I have done both.

I have stayed away from the forum more recently because I have felt that I cannot make a contribution that is either accepted or valued.

I am full of admiration for what the founders have acheived so far, and the level of dedication shown. Hats off to you all.

"if you always do what you've always done, you will always get what you've always got"

Bye for now, and good luck with the campaign.


" Speaking the Truth in times of universal deceit is a revolutionary act. "
George Orwell



Thanks for the apology. I'm just a little disconcerted that you feel that 'it often seems that suggestions are either over looked or shot down in flames'. 'Over looked' has one very simple explanation; it's the fact that we all have full-time jobs and campaign in our "spare" or "robbed-from-elsewhere" time. I would take issue with the 'shot down in flames', because I know suggestions are often welcome and more often than not are discussed and followed up. Again, I think it comes down to time, and everyone having a set of priorities, with some things unfortunately falling off the agenda.

But that happens - for me - with ideas I have come up with myself, and if I am extremely lucky, I might do a tenth of what I intended to do, so it's not - from my point of view - so much a case of dismissing ideas out of hand, so much as hoping that the generator of the idea might feel well enough placed to set about actioning some of it.

I'm also not sure what you mean by 'An example of this [presumably shooting you down in flames?] was when I suggested contacted every member re New statesman. Eventually it happened, but only after been told multiple reasons why it couldn't.' If you felt in any way shot down by that, I'm somewhat at a loss to know why, because the discussions I remember a group of us having was how it didn't seem possible to send PM messages to more than a handful of members at once, and how personally I didn't have the time to go through the members five by five sending the messages out. I don't recall anyone being unhelpful, hostile or dismissive about that, but the point of this discussion isn't to rubbish how you are feeling about it now, but just to put the record straight on that score. Just as you didn't intend to be provacative just now with your closing sentence, I really don't think any of the people I know had any intention of shooting your ideas down in flames or leaving you feeling forgotten about and sidelined. Sorry if you still feel that way.

I am wondering if your marketing and press experience has involved dealing with funded organisations rather than the more informal, ad hoc, voluntary ones such as ours? Maybe you are used to more rapid exchanges of ideas, fast feedback, and working parties/project teams? We are a small outfit, and with the best will in the world, can't always respond quickly to opportunities, suggestions, questions, etc. I am wondering if we have unwittingly entered a vicious circle in which you make a suggestion, repeat it, and then get frustrated at the lack of response? Perfectly understandable, of course, but the flipside of that is the recipient fielding multiple requests and - perhaps (I am just surmising) feeling as though you have become a little impatient?

Another member of this forum I have massive respect for is often the generator of great and sometimes unusual ideas, and shares your frustration, I think, at times. Like you, he speaks his mind. I know he has a little moan sometimes at 'tumbleweed junction' and how ideas can be slow to be picked up. I don't know all the answers, but here's a suggestion of my own, which is - if you think we are slow to follow something up, why not have a think about it yourself and suggest how you would go about it? Then you could maybe lead on it?

Above all, I am sorry you feel this way:

"I have stayed away from the forum more recently because I have felt that I cannot make a contribution that is either accepted or valued."

I would disagree with that. Not only was your contribution on the Media Pack accepted and valued, but it is already being acted upon.

I hope we can end any quarrel or difference of opinion any of us may have and just start again. Just bear in mind that written text never comes out like the spoken word. I write these lines in the spirit of friendship and a more positive working relationship. If you can maybe just temper some of your criticism at times (you've got to admit that that comment was a bit skitty, albeit that first time round I chose to ignore it until others 'bit'), then you will surely find we value you and your actually very helpful and useful ideas to their full.

Do get involved in this a little bit more actively and then, maybe, not only will be benefit from your creativity but you will perhaps come to see that we aren't anywhere near as dismissive as you imagined we were. Perhaps a little defensive at times, but hey, that goes with the "Victim of HMRC" territory, doesn't it?







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Posted - 24/07/2008 :  15:33:10  Show Profile Send Ali M-W a Private Message
And now to really see if we can't get a phoenix to rise from the ashes of perhaps mutual misunderstanding, how about you leading, Red, on the finding and content-labelling of key Tax Credit articles and reports? Our own Forum librarian? That would be a pragmatic way of getting a time-consuming but necessary task done, and getting down to this in a positive, collaborative way. Would you be up for this?

I imagine Robert, our resident researcher, could very well be up for giving you a hand - although it seems a bit unfair for me to be volunteering others for hard, and unpaid, work!

There is also a Fundraising post going begging....

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auntieh
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Posted - 24/07/2008 :  21:57:03  Show Profile Send auntieh a Private Message
Oh dear please no arguments especially not now when there seems to be so many positive high profile developments in the pipeline.

I like everybody on here - Red Rocket, Ali, Alan the Geordie, Miss Froy and everyone else. You are all great and have your own strengths and ideas on things and we must remember we are all in this together and therefore we need to stick together.

I do agree with Ali - the reason ideas often don't get taken up or seem to go anywhere is simply down to the constraints we all have on our time due to families, work, caring commitments and so on. I really don't think there is any personal insult intended when ideas don't get off the ground.

I do hope Red Rocket comes back.

Auntie

"You can dress a pig in a suit but you can't stop it grunting"
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Posted - 24/07/2008 :  23:46:13  Show Profile Send Ali M-W a Private Message
I have asked. Solidarity is good.

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PJD
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Posted - 25/07/2008 :  02:49:14  Show Profile Send PJD a Private Message
I think its preferable that we don't have bad tempered comments re the running of TCC in the public section of the forum from members who have access to the restricted section plus coordinators email addresses, and that if members have issue with the way things are happening they should discuss in a more helpful and productive manner, at least then some relevant factors can be explained before conclusions are reached as to why ideas are not used.

We get many many suggestions. 60% of which we have already tried, 20% we usually currently working on, 10% we haven’t got round to yet and 10% that are best described as unusable. And a huge percentage of all is subjective opinion about what is best.

The site and forum need to be accessible to all, including technophobes, people like me with special needs, people who don’t have the time to read every page but just want an update, people who will unsubscribe from forums if you randomly PM them requests to sign political petitions & nominations and people who just need the dispute steps.

Just because someone’s suggestion is not eventually enacted does not mean we are ignoring it or putting up unnecessary blocks,
we are not into empire building and power trips and it would be helpful if people didn't assume we were. but for most suggestions we get we get one more suggesting the opposite and 100 things to consider.
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