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sammy
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Posted - 15/05/2007 :  09:59:39  Show Profile Send sammy a Private Message
This may or may not be useful, archive details from 2003/4. It may help if you are searching for old phone numbers, or actual wording from old revenue leaflets etc

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Ali M-W
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Posted - 15/05/2007 :  17:38:32  Show Profile Send Ali M-W a Private Message
Hmm, thanks for reminding me that I need to go through my latest batch of SARN-generated documents and calls to check what other errors and inconsistencies HMRC are guilty of. Those links are likely to be useful - thanks Sammy.
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Posted - 16/05/2007 :  01:26:43  Show Profile Send Alan the Geordie a Private Message
After all this time that you've been fighting them you still need reminding??
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Ali M-W
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Posted - 16/05/2007 :  08:12:31  Show Profile Send Ali M-W a Private Message
Good point. No, it's just a task I don't relish because it sends my blood pressure soaring and I get so irritated by all the mistakes and sloppy practice it reveals, so I look for almost any other task to do first.

Bit like those nauseating Tax Credit adverts they will keep sticking on the radio and, for a time, the TV. I have to turn over right away - I can't stomach them.

I'm not an unforgiving person, but in situations where an organisation is so obviously in the wrong and is so persistent in insisting it is right and we're all wrong, the hackles do rise. If they admitted their shortcomings and put them right, I'd gladly forgive all. But they won't, and it disheartens and angers me. So avoidance has been a bit of a problem here, I'm afraid.

And there's always so much to do - which is why anyone wishing to join the active campaign and take some tasks on is always, always welcome. Just make yourselves known to Paula, Sarah or myself.
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Posted - 29/05/2007 :  18:42:54  Show Profile Send Alan the Geordie a Private Message
<<And there's always so much to do - which is why anyone wishing to join the active campaign and take some tasks on is always, always welcome. Just make yourselves known to Paula, Sarah or myself.>>

Ok .. I've just volunteered to be a moderator and got my name displayed in puke-green letters and been promoted too!! WOW!!

I've also printed a ****load of Tax Credit Casualties flyers (another set of ink cartridges gone!!) and will be dropping them off at various places during the week.
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Posted - 29/05/2007 :  20:11:21  Show Profile Send n/a a Private Message
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may 2007 Treasury Report
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Ali M-W
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Posted - 30/05/2007 :  06:23:11  Show Profile Send Ali M-W a Private Message
Thanks Rosie. That makes very disappointing reading. There is no recognition of the scale of the problems, that the Revenue are the direct cause of many if not most overpayments, that there is no independent appeal, that we are commonly stitched up in kangaroo courts, and that our details are sold to the highest bidder so that loan sharks can profit from our misery. Nor that HMRC are not accountable for their actions and cannot be sued.

I live for the day when the true extent of this scandal is made properly known to the public and the inevitable public outrage finally leads to proper reform of the system and an apology from those who have inflicted it on us whilst glibly assuring us how many millions have 'benefited'.

If I could turn the clock back and not 'benefit' from it, I would...
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splashin
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Posted - 22/09/2007 :  01:57:41  Show Profile Send splashin a Private Message
Another one I've found.
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If we all see something while surfing about TC's, that looks useful pls save the link. A techhie will have to explain how to. By us keeping a memo of these links in our personal files, we might not think important at the time you came across it, is there for whenever they are mentioned in a post, this will help us be able to get some clarification on changes, contradiction, admissions, reasons why we are here in this. Okay each case is individual but there has got to be some links that can be put together, and by us sharing info like this, news reports, archives, manuals, anything that relates to TC's, someone will be able to put a couple of things together to help build.
Splashin

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Ali M-W
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Posted - 22/09/2007 :  08:32:52  Show Profile Send Ali M-W a Private Message
Splashin, agreed - we definately need a Librarian around these parts. My vote goes to Robert. We could really do with little one-liners such as 'Lord Falconer sells 'debtor' details to loan firms for profit' with the link - nothing more, because if we want the details we just go following that link. Believe me there is so much written on the subject of tax credits that it's impossible to keep abreast of it - and I have been trying. Poor Robert every so often gets an email from me begging him to find me a document I've 'lost'! I do feel generally that there's a growing need for us all - well, those who have got their own cases to a stage where they're not living on their nerves and have sent off everything they need to get the dispute going or on to the next stage - to take on certain tasks and specialisms so that everyone here knows who does what. I've kind of drifted into a role of go-between between the Casualties and HMRC (spit, spit), and currently have a HUGE interest in what is going down behind the scenes... Also I have a few 'tame' National Newspaper and BBC journalists waiting for some juicy morsels of any kind which are emotive, topical and of public concern, so don't you guys out there forget that if you want to speak to the media but don't knoiw where to begin, I'm more than happy to try to link you up...

Splashin, I don't know how long you've been around, and for any other newbies - here's a whistlestop tour:

Paula runs the whole caboosh and set up and maintains the whole taxcreditoverpayment website. Her tasks are infinite and she does pretty much all the caseworking, and ensures communications are good across the group. She's your woman if you have any major problems, burning questions, ideas, etc. Paula does all the Press releases and a million other things I can't even begin to to justice to here.

Sarah's local to Paula and fantastic at writing short, to-the-point articles packed with information, law, etc. She's worked astonishingly hard towards getting us Charitable status, but because there has to - by definitition - be so much campaigning and politics attached to what we're doing, it's been a hard slog.

Lisa's been behind the Maternity Leave Trap revelation and her insights into this have been amazing - she has already taught HMRC something they didn't know, which they've gone away to think about (well, that'll be the year 3000 then...) Lisa's good with campaigning and networking.

Sammy's brought us this soon-to-be-nationally-famous Forum, and opened our eyes to a lot of things we never really wanted to see, including kangaro courts and the draconian powers HMRC have to take away everything they can from us. He needs to feel deeply ashamed that he was featured in Readers' Digest!

Alan is a legend in his own lifetime, not for his former rock 'n' rolling or his fascination with Proggy Mats, but for winning his case with HMRC and still being crazy or desperate enough to hang around. If you want help writing COMPLAINTS!! - then Alan's your man.

Robert's our in-house researcher and tracks down everything important in the news, as well as bringing desperate people from other websites into the fold.

And now I've got to the point when, like writing Christmas cards, you know you're in danger of forgetting someone because there are just so, so many people that it's time to put the box away. Unlike the Revenue, let's just say that everyone's important here.

There's lots of tasks that really need doing and it'd be good if we could put our heads together to identify them, and maybe, just maybe, start doling some tasks out.

So this is where the thread suddenly stops and it all goes deathly quiet......

Morpheus : Unfortunately, no one can be told what the Matrix is. You have to see it for yourself.

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Posted - 22/09/2007 :  12:49:59  Show Profile Send Alan the Geordie a Private Message
<<Alan is a legend in his own lifetime, not for his former rock 'n' rolling or his fascination with Proggy Mats, but for winning his case with HMRC and still being crazy or desperate enough to hang around. If you want help writing COMPLAINTS!! - then Alan's your man.>>

Aye, that's varry canny Bonny Lass, but ye forgot aboot "the broon!"

And you seem to have overlooked another passion of mine;
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If you really want to see what a bunch of amateurs achieved where the "experts" failed, take a look at this truly amazing success story.

It gives me hope that we can succeed too.


"Broons aall roond f'th' lads an' mind ye divvent drop yer dottles on th' new proggy mat!!"
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Edited by - Alan the Geordie on 22/09/2007 12:55:35
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Ali M-W
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Posted - 22/09/2007 :  14:46:03  Show Profile Send Ali M-W a Private Message
lol, I'll try again. Is this better:

<<Alan is a legend in his own lifetime, not for his former rock 'n' rolling or his fascination with Proggy Mats, the 'Duke of Gloucester' steam train, and 'Newcassel Broon', but for winning his case with HMRC and still being crazy or desperate enough to hang around. If you want help writing COMPLAINTS!! - then Alan's your man.>>


Morpheus : Unfortunately, no one can be told what the Matrix is. You have to see it for yourself.

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Ali M-W
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Posted - 22/09/2007 :  14:47:26  Show Profile Send Ali M-W a Private Message
...and Alan, you are distracting me from the serious matter of us agreeing tasks!!!

Now behave!

Morpheus : Unfortunately, no one can be told what the Matrix is. You have to see it for yourself.

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Alan the Geordie
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Posted - 22/09/2007 :  17:20:48  Show Profile Send Alan the Geordie a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by Ali M-W

...and Alan, you are distracting me from the serious matter of us agreeing tasks!!!

Now behave!

Morpheus : Unfortunately, no one can be told what the Matrix is. You have to see it for yourself.





Sorry Mum.

Divven't lock is in th' coal hoose agin!

"Broons aall roond f'th' lads an' mind ye divvent drop yer dottles on th' new proggy mat!!"
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Edited by - Alan the Geordie on 22/09/2007 23:20:50
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sammy
Rank; Really should become a politician



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Posted - 22/09/2007 :  22:12:17  Show Profile Send sammy a Private Message
<<So this is where the thread suddenly stops and it all goes deathly quiet......>>
Hope not Ali, your tireless energy inspires others; including me, to carry on fighting, once inspiration dies we are doomed.

Most likely HMRC governors and the government think tanks will be muttering the same in their paid by tax payers 'meetings'..don't worry they will wilt and die soon...

I've got news for you guys, I won't and many here will not either.

What to do: we need support from all affected, we are not found for competetive search queries, added; many affected do not have internet access and many with Internet access do not know how to find us.
To find us speciffic search words must be used.

Most search for a simple 'tax credits' we are not on the first few pages for that query and we need to be!

A few new members have found this forum by accident, thats ok but we need to be found on purpose.

So how to acclompish that:
Unfortunately the search engines do not give special placements for none-profit sites (some may argue they do)

In effect we are competing with two of the most powerful websites in the country for the same keywords, namely hmrc and the government.

We are targeting the same keywords they are, hence for us, it is difficult to compete for generic search queries, they will always win.

Because they have a more powerful website/s with many powerful links pointing to them.

We are very much up against it, trying to compete but believe me we are getting there. We are found for loads of stuff but we need to be found for the real juicy mass search queries. I know if we hit a biggie search query it could even bring the forum down because of to much traffic, however the forum owners would soon rectify because the have a vested interest (google ads)

So to compete we need links in from 'good stuff' ie newspapers, online and offline, major internet sites like cab and the like.

I know we could easily embarrass the government and hmrc just on the internet alone, but it needs a concerted effort from all, it does not have to be this site but heads need to get together it really would be simple if we could get a focus group together, we after all have the same agenda, namely to bring the government to task. It is the only way.

Anyhow that synopsis seems remote so we here need to work together.
And work together as Ali so rightly points out.

So what I suggest is a new category, maybe 'Case History' where members can post their own stuff in just a few sentences, (not a long explanation) with a pm for further details if required. You can even post your success, or just comments.

All posts must be extremely concise (like i say you can add further details on request, or add pm me)

This system would be extremely media friendly, however if you give your email address your anonymity will be compromised. The media do not want hearsay or rants…they want facts…anyone up for it?


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Posted - 22/09/2007 :  23:18:31  Show Profile Send Alan the Geordie a Private Message
I've been posting here; You must be logged in to see this link. and including the TCC addy in my sig.

(check posts made by Avenger)



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sammy
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Posted - 22/09/2007 :  23:38:38  Show Profile Send sammy a Private Message
Al thats good if only everyone would do the same we would get tons of hits.
But the newspaper type forums have <nofollow tags> in the source code.

They are very sneaky they want sites to link to them, but they prevent any outbound links. so any link to us has to be physically clicked, the search engines will ignore because of the <nofollow> tags in their source html code....It may sound gobbledook to you, but they are are cheating..they get links in, but deny links out, so links out get no credit.
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Posted - 22/09/2007 :  23:45:43  Show Profile Send Alan the Geordie a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by sammy

Al thats good if only everyone would do the same we would get tons of hits.
But the newspaper type forums have <nofollow tags> in the source code.

They are very sneaky they want sites to link to them, but they prevent any outbound links. so any link to us has to be physically clicked, the search engines will ignore because of the <nofollow> tags in their source html code....It may sound gobbledook to you, but they are are cheating..they get links in, but deny links out, so links out get no credit.



Aye, well, Aahm just tryin' t' get th' top off this bottle, then aal hev a think aboot it!

Anyways, wheys is the Gook yer ganna be Gobblin'??

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Edited by - Alan the Geordie on 22/09/2007 23:49:18
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Posted - 23/09/2007 :  08:27:51  Show Profile Send Ali M-W a Private Message
Hi Sammy - thanks for your kind words. I'm often inspired by your resilience and good humour (dark at times) in the face of all this sh ite.

Could you elaborate please on this:

<<...So what I suggest is a new category, maybe 'Case History' where members can post their own stuff in just a few sentences, (not a long explanation) with a pm for further details if required. You can even post your success, or just comments.

All posts must be extremely concise (like i say you can add further details on request, or add pm me)

This system would be extremely media friendly, however if you give your email address your anonymity will be compromised. The media do not want hearsay or rants…they want facts…anyone up for it? >>

Are you suggesting this so that the media can 'see at a glance' who might have the kind of story they're looking for at that point in time? I know they like different slants on different occasions...

I'd support this idea - sounds good.

Morpheus : Unfortunately, no one can be told what the Matrix is. You have to see it for yourself.

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