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PJD
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Posted - 07/05/2008 :  02:15:17  Show Profile Send PJD a Private Message
Direct action,

this is something I'm trying to work on, and as the poster mentioned at the start of this thread here You must be logged in to see this link. has said, we do need to be taking direct action.

this isn't the right place to be making plans, but we could discuss peoples ideas and previous examples.

the poll tax demos hit there mark, not that I'm suggesting riots BTW, but what about it was so successful???

the numbers that came together?
the blocking up of the admin process with all the non payers?
the very public expressions of rebellion?
the use of different methods?

(I'll come back with more hopefully when I've got further into my reading )


what other examples are there? and how do we get more people involved?




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Alan the Geordie
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Posted - 07/05/2008 :  11:08:37  Show Profile Send Alan the Geordie a Private Message
We (allegedly) have some 300 members who could each send Brown, Darling & Kennedy 2 CDs each. They needn't have anything on them and they could even be music CDs - a perfect chance to get shot of your old Abba & Des O' Connor albums.

It all means that HMRC and our Glorious (unelected) Leader will end-up with some 900 CDs - two of which just may be the "missing" ones. All of the packaging will need to be opened and the CDs checked and that will involve somebody in a whole heap of extra work & inconvenience and I think it will make for an interesting story in the press.

The only problem is in getting our apathetic members to take part. At present, we'd struggle to send two dozen CDs!

Apathy rules OK - so why do I bother?
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Alan the Geordie
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Posted - 07/05/2008 :  11:50:24  Show Profile Send Alan the Geordie a Private Message
Some of our "better upholstered" ladies may like to consider chaining themselves to Buck House railings and/or going on hunger strike?

The last time this stunt was pulled resulted in women being given the right to vote!

"Ye divven't sweat much f' a fat lass d' ye pet?)

Edited by - Alan the Geordie on 07/05/2008 12:01:09
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Alan the Geordie
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Posted - 07/05/2008 :  11:56:15  Show Profile Send Alan the Geordie a Private Message
Dare I ask how many of our 300+ (allegedly) members have taken the trouble to download & print the Tax Credit Casualties flyer from the main site & distribute the copies at doctors' surgeries, public libraries etc?

It only costs a bit of your time and ink for your printer.

And, before anyone asks; yes I have!

"Good examples are best sermons. (Politicians take note!)

Edited by - Alan the Geordie on 07/05/2008 11:57:39
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Alan the Geordie
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Posted - 07/05/2008 :  21:04:09  Show Profile Send Alan the Geordie a Private Message
Lets couple our wagon to this train;

1. Courts grant judicial review of Government's broken referendum promise



Businessman Stuart Wheeler has won the first stage of his campaign to sue Gordon Brown over his attempt to break his promise to hold a referendum on the EU Constitution.



At the High Court last Friday the Hon. Mr Justice Owen ruled that Stuart Wheeler had an "arguable" case and granted him a judicial review. Wheeler's barrister, Rabinder Singh QC, argued that the Government had promised a referendum on the EU Constitution and that his client therefore had a "legitimate expectation" that he should be able to vote in one on the Lisbon Treaty - which is virtually identical.



Reflecting on the Government's claim that the Lisbon Treaty is completely different to the rejected EU Constitution, the Hon. Mr Justice Owen noted that "it is plainly arguable that there is no material difference between their provisions". He said: "The obligation to hold the promised referendum cannot be avoided simply by the fact that it now bears a different name."



The judicial review will take place on 9 and 10 June. If the courts were to rule against the Prime Minister and the Foreign Secretary, they could instruct the Government to put a new bill before Parliament which provides for a referendum.



How you can help



Stuart Wheeler's case is very expensive. So far £160,000 has been raised from 150 donors. If you would like to help please visit his website: You must be logged in to see this link.



2. Lib Dem Lords attempt to scupper referendum hopes



Since March, when the majority of MPs in the House of Commons voted against holding a national referendum on the revised EU Constitution, the I Want a Referendum campaign team has been busy lobbying Peers in the House of Lords, who are now debating the Treaty.



The Lords are due to vote on the referendum issue on 11 June and the Irish referendum is expected to take place on 12 June. With Stuart Wheeler's judicial review taking place on 9 and 10 June, that week will mark the climax of our campaign - and will almost certainly decide whether the Lisbon Treaty will be ratified or not.



The issue is likely to take on much greater prominence in the media than it has in the last month. As the Telegraph noted on Saturday: "Opponents of a referendum have so far tried to cling to the shadows. Now the light will be shone on them, in particular on the Lib Dem peers, who have nauseatingly broken their words to oppose the referendum."



If we are to win a referendum amendment in the Lords, the key factor will be how the Liberal Democrats choose to vote. If the Conservatives combined with a significant number of crossbench peers to vote in favour of a referendum, and the Lib Dems stuck to the line they took in the Commons and abstained, there is every chance that the Lords would vote in favour of a referendum.



However, unfortunately, it has emerged that the Lib Dems in the House of Lords are set to change the party position on a referendum for a third time by voting with the Government against a referendum.



Lord McNally, Lib Dem leader in the Lords has said, "We will not abstain on a referendum amendment in the Lords. The arithmetic in the Commons is different from the Lords... We will vote with the Government against a referendum on the treaty." (PA, 1 April)



He also said that he would not even put down an amendment calling for a referendum on the UK's continued membership of the EU, which Lib Dem leader Nick Clegg has repeatedly claimed is his party's priority.



This latest Lib Dem u-turn has reportedly angered those former front-bench MPs who resigned their positions in the Commons in order to vote for the referendum they promised, rather than abstain. One Lib Dem MP told the Telegraph: "A lot of us are furious about this... Those of us in marginal seats who had to make a significant compromise on this issue are now being undermined by people who won't ever face the electorate." (3 April)



Meanwhile, Lib Dem Lord Wallace of Saltaire revealed the poor attitude among some Lib Dem Lords to the Treaty debate by brazenly claiming: "It is not line-by-line scrutiny that we need." (PA, 22 April)



Lib Dem Baroness Shirley Williams, who is rumoured to have threatened defection to Labour if the Lib Dems backed a referendum on the Lisbon Treaty, said of her party's manifesto promise of a referendum: "the commitment was embarrassing and I do not believe that it was in the interests of this country or in a good relationship with the rest of the European Union." (Hansard, 1 April)



During a conference on the Lisbon Treaty at Oxford University on Friday, Dr. Kalypso Nicolaïdis, Lecturer in International Relations and Director of the European Studies Centre at St. Antony's College, said that she was at the House of Lords recently during a debate on the Lisbon Treaty. She said that those who don't want a referendum know that, "this Treaty is the same, but since they don't want a vote, they have to argue that it is different... Indeed, having a drink with a bunch of the Lords who argued that it was different, and therefore we don't have a referendum, they actually shared with me their shame to have this argument; they all knew better. But this was off the record - as this conversation is off the record." Shortly afterwards she referred back to "those Lords who were ashamed of lying in the debate."



What you can do - follow up your letter to Nick Clegg



Many thanks to the thousands of you who wrote to Nick Clegg recently urging him to stick to the line he took in the House of Commons and get Lib Dem Peers to abstain. We must keep up this kind of pressure in the weeks between now and 11 June. Despite Lord McNally's announcement that the Lib Dem Lords will vote against the Government, Nick Clegg replied to your emails claiming that he hasn't made up his mind.



In reply to your emails he claimed that "Liberal Democrats in the House of Lords will examine amendments on their merits and within the context of seeing the Bill passed and the Treaty ratified as agreed by the House of Commons." However, he wrote this after Lord McNally had already announced that Lib Dem peers have no intention of voting for a referendum on the Lisbon Treaty.



He also said: "Our current policy remains that we want a referendum on the EU." With this in mind, why not write to Nick Clegg, asking him why Liberal Democrat peers are not planning to vote for a referendum of any kind on the EU?



You can contact Nick Clegg by email: libdemleader@parliament.uk, or, if you want to send a letter by post, the address is: Nick Clegg MP, House of Commons, London, SW1A 0AA. Or you could fax him on: 0207 219 0260.



Write to a Lord



One big challenge will be getting the Peers (particularly Conservative Peers in favour of a referendum) to actually turn up and vote on this important issue. Remember: MPs from all the main parties promised a referendum on the EU Treaty at the last election. It is now up to the Lords to hold the Government to that promise.



Peers in the House of Lords are not accountable to the public in the same way that MPs in the House of Commons are. However, their job is to scrutinise legislation with a fine-toothed comb and to keep the Government in check.



With this in mind, please write a (very polite) letter to a Peer from your county telling them firstly about your disappointment at being let down by Commons, and secondly, your hopes that the Lords will now do the right thing and press the Government for a referendum on the Lisbon Treaty. Please also encourage them to turn up to vote, by telling them why this issue matters to you.



You can find a list of Lords here: You must be logged in to see this link.



As most Peers do not have email addresses, the best way to contact them is by letter. You should address yours to the name of the Lord at:



The House of Lords

London

SW1A 0PW



Apathy rules OK - so why do I bother?
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Ali M-W
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Posted - 08/05/2008 :  07:20:14  Show Profile Send Ali M-W a Private Message
<<You can contact Nick Clegg by email: libdemleader@parliament.uk, or, if you want to send a letter by post, the address is: Nick Clegg MP, House of Commons, London, SW1A 0AA. Or you could fax him on: 0207 219 0260.>>

Not sure I understand the referendum issues enough to get passionate about the above, but handy to have this contact - thanks, Alan.


Morpheus: … as long as there is a single breath in his body he'll never give up… and neither can we.
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