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Alan the Geordie
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Posted - 27/02/2008 :  13:55:05  Show Profile Send Alan the Geordie a Private Message
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"From the bottom to the top, from the small to the big, lying is habitual and endemic in the tax office.
Let's start big: when HMRC lost bank and personal details of 25 million customers in November 2007 they blamed the loss on a junior member of staff at their Washington office. "Who?" asked the Guardian, "And are they still in work?"
The answers seemed complex and contradictory. Some statements said that the employee was still in work, some said they were fired and some said, "It's irrelevant." The Daily Mail detected this porky and ran the headline, "Bungling junior official who lost benefits discs 'is being made a scapegoat'.

A few days later the truth came out. It became clear that the discs had actually been lost by a career civil servant and the data hadn't been edited as it should because of cost-cutting. The Telegraph said, there had been a cover-up. Which is a nice way of saying: HMRC has been telling us all a pack of lies."


And; "...you can spend - as I did - nine months arguing over something that is worth only a few pounds in tax. It's an expensive and exasperating process where you are forced to dig your heels in just to hold on to what you have. Most people - particularly those who are un-represented - give up and throw in the towel - and that (as you might imagine) suits HMRC right down to the ground."

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Edited by - Alan the Geordie on 27/02/2008 14:01:36

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Ali M-W
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Posted - 14/03/2008 :  09:07:22  Show Profile Send Ali M-W a Private Message
Lying, denying, deceiving, covering up and avoiding answering our, or Ministers' questions.

Losing sensitive personal data for every family in the land.

Mismanaging the tax credit system, and blaming and bullying claimants for their own mistakes.

Going after low and middle income families, because they are bar far the easiest targets, without accountants or legal representatives - often to the point of undeserved bankruptcy, financial ruin and despair.

Leaving alone the more rich and powerful, with heftier debts, because they have the means with which to defend themselves, hire lawyers and gain publicity HMRC would sooner avoid.

Departing from their stated policy and threatening individuals with court, often as the first indication that a tax credit has been overpaid.

Having a policy of answering only what they have to, and never volunteering helpful information if claimants haven't raised this themselves.

Losing innumerable items of post and acting as though these items were never sent, and the claimant or taxpayer is negligent.

Telling claimants that they have 'no right to appeal', when they can dispute recovery of their overpayment, had they only the knowledge of how to go about this.

That's HMRC for you. Henchmen (and women) of the state? Or are they revolting?

Believe me, there are signs that they are....

Morpheus: Welcome to the real world.


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Alan the Geordie
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Posted - 14/03/2008 :  14:14:08  Show Profile Send Alan the Geordie a Private Message
>>That's HMRC for you. Henchmen (and women) of the state? Or are they revolting?

Believe me, there are signs that they are....<<

Aye - they're the most revolting shower I've ever had the misfortune to have to deal with!!

Apathy rules OK - so why do I bother?

Edited by - Alan the Geordie on 14/03/2008 14:15:46
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Ali M-W
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Posted - 15/03/2008 :  23:55:57  Show Profile Send Ali M-W a Private Message
And those who aren't revolting are revolting, if you know what I mean!

Morpheus: Welcome to the real world.


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Alan the Geordie
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Posted - 16/03/2008 :  01:48:03  Show Profile Send Alan the Geordie a Private Message
Aye!!

Apathy rules OK - so why do I bother?
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Ali M-W
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Posted - 18/03/2008 :  07:39:47  Show Profile Send Ali M-W a Private Message
It does seem rather odd that HMRC officials are rewarded for a bad job, with Richard Summersgill picking up a CBE.

Morpheus: Welcome to the real world.


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Ali M-W
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Posted - 18/03/2008 :  07:40:38  Show Profile Send Ali M-W a Private Message
The 'C' in my book would not exactly stand for 'Citizen'.

Morpheus: Welcome to the real world.


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Posted - 18/03/2008 :  08:00:33  Show Profile Send Ali M-W a Private Message
'Fury at HMRC Bonus Rises':

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Ali M-W
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Posted - 24/03/2008 :  10:43:37  Show Profile Send Ali M-W a Private Message
It isn't just us treated as guilty with the onus on us to prove we are not!:

Taxman takes 'guilty unless you can prove innocence' approach

By Rosemary Gallagher
TO FOLLOW up on in its offshore disclosure project in 2007, HM Revenue and Customs (HMRC) is sending letters to thousands of taxpayers who did not respond.

HMRC is demanding to know why tax is not owed to the Treasury on funds held in offshore bank accounts.

But according to Neil Whyte, tax investigations partner at PKF Accountants and business advisers, HMRC's move turns one of the central tenets of the legal system on its head by presuming that taxpayers are guilty and demanding proof of innocence.

Whyte said: "HMRC is demanding confirmation and an explanation as to why tax is not due on funds about which it knows little.

"In many cases, HMRC only knows that someone has an offshore bank account and the funds it contains at a few specific dates. It has little idea how much interest was earned on the deposits, where the money came from or the key question of whether there is an undeclared UK tax liability at all.

"Legally, to issue an assessment for unpaid tax, HMRC must have made a 'discovery' or, in other words, have actual knowledge that further tax is due, not just that it might be due. Yet the threat is that such assessments will definitely be issued unless informal, voluntary answers are given to the questions raised."

He added that taxpayers are under no legal obligation to respond to these letters. However, the reality is that anyone who ignores one will ultimately face an assessment seeking to collect the tax assumed to be due, perhaps after a detailed investigation into their tax affairs.

This type of "intervention" exercise was piloted in 2006 and was heavily criticised by taxpayers and agents alike. The reaction was so strong that HMRC agreed to suspend this approach pending further review and discussion. Whyte said that review, launched by HMRC's director general Dave Hartnett, does not seem to have achieved much.

"With so many complexities and possible twists in these cases, it is essential the boundaries of the legislation and taxpayers' rights are respected," said White. "The only sensible option for individuals who have not fully declared their income in the past is to make a full, voluntary disclosure to HMRC."



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Morpheus: … as long as there is a single breath in his body he'll never give up… and neither can we.

Edited by - Ali M-W on 24/03/2008 10:45:17
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